@_elena@mastodon.social Oh, look, another one of the "they're on our side" corporations ends up betraying its users. Who could've seen it coming? 🙄

@_elena@mastodon.social I find it ironic proton fight big tech by using big tech (ie claude). Any alternatives? I was hoping for proton to be a more viable alternative to gsuite

Edit: typo

@_elena@mastodon.social Yeah, I'm so thankful that I picked my Domain for my main email addresses. So nice to be able to change provider if the one I'm using chooses the dark side.

@_elena@mastodon.social I'm still cleaning up all my proton stuff and I fear the transfer a bit, but in the coming months I'll move over to dutch provider @soverin@mstdn.social keeping my own domain(s), but only after total clean-up of all aliases and gmail-remnants.

I never realised I had to many accounts and subscriptions: I'm on a digital cleanse it seems

@_elena@mastodon.social so many aliases! I have much more less and consider, what should I do. Maybe can you share yours ideas how to resolve it?

@_elena@mastodon.social Aye, this shocked me a big one too. I don't use their mail option a lot but I have Proton Pass. Seriously considering the move back to KeepassXC now.

@_elena@mastodon.social may I ask what provider(s) you’re considering next? I also need to get off Proton.

@_elena@mastodon.social I’m in the exact same situation and I’m kicking myself because when I decided to de-google and move to Proton I was aware of custom domains but it seemed like to much to learn at the time. Now I have a million alias through SimpleLogin (a service I’ll really miss) and I’m not sure how to handle that

@_elena@mastodon.social I’m in a similar scenario. Just weighing alternatives. Any thoughts?

@_elena@mastodon.social

"The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road."

"La route est longue, mais la voie est libre."(Framasoft)

@_elena@mastodon.social Next one, unfortunately. Liked the idea that Proton transported years ago but although I like Mail and VPN there, I am glad to use my own domains AND a service like @mailbox_org@social.mailbox.org here in Germany. The numbers of trustful services seem to decrease week by week at the moment, that’s a sad fact.

@_elena@mastodon.social Well, he was already controversial, but had mostly been given the benefit of the doubt. But that's it for Proton. A shame.

@_elena@mastodon.social it simply takes consistency and effort to replace all e-mail adresses for all services by new ones. I did it in a few days, while traveling, four years ago. Only ONE site didn’t let me change the attached email address. Now they all point to aliases on my own domain, with emails hosted by Migadu (previously Gandi).

You can do it, too, if you choose to move over.

@_elena@mastodon.social I was supposed to leave for work 10 minutes ago. Can anyone ping me and give me a quick TL; DR? Ty

@_elena@mastodon.social Thanks for sharing this, Elena. As @Tutanota@mastodon.social is considering turning to AI, I hope they see this and reconsider. I use Tuta, and I don't want it to force AI on me.

@_elena@mastodon.social and why not jump to @infomaniak_network@mastodon.social and leave #proton ?

@_elena@mastodon.social Oh wow, just in time, I was about to switch everything over to a Proton email these next few days, that was a close one😅

I have a few questions about the custom domain thing since I'm pretty new to this. How does it work if I need to switch providers using my custom domain email? If I were to switch, does it also move all my saved emails/folders/labels over to the new provider? What providers would you recommend?

@_elena@mastodon.social I'm finding it pretty difficult to select a mail provider for my domain. Going with icloud for the time being but I'm not happy. Also I have a .im tld which is not ideal to say the least. I don't think emails and domains are a good thing altogether.

@_elena@mastodon.social "so many aliases" ... joke aside: Every time, I want to recommend you here and don't remember your whole name (I'm bad with names), I type @ plus part of your name ... and suddenly the Mastodon automatic completion for accounts runs wild. Too many accounts wirh your name. 😆

@_elena@mastodon.social

Yen's use of the description 'losers' about his own colleagues tells me all I need to know about him. Glad I chose Tuta.

@_elena@mastodon.social

I bought a domain many years ago. I have moved it once, now on Migadu. I didn't see any reference to AI just now. Their privacy policy seems quite robust. Somewhere I thought I saw them claim to be built with 100 percent open source, but couldn't find it with a quick search.

They don't charge enough for me to be a paid spokesperson. :)

A personal domain plus paid mail hosting is cheaper than a blue check mark from the dead bird.

@_elena@mastodon.social how deeply disturbing. Proton can't fall

@_elena@mastodon.social when I was starting my degoogled life this year I had to choose between Proton and Tuta: I am glad I chose the latter, and I do hope that they don't turn out as evil as Proton's CEO did. So far I'm loving Tuta, I hope you join them or find a new, reliable provider soon 😊

@_elena@mastodon.social I've always had a bad feeling about this company... Glad I never gave them any money, and glad that there are still alternatives to the supposed alternatives.

@_elena@mastodon.social ugh. I was just thinking of moving to proton, too.

@_elena@mastodon.social

I’ve had a custom domain for my main email since 2004 with unique email addresses for every single website without fail.

It removes a huge amount of spam and fraudulent emails and shows exactly who’s been breached.

I can’t imagine doing email any other way and being able to transparently switch providers has been huge.

It’s never too late. I hope you find a domain you like and can live with.

I'm devastated to hear that #Proton 's CEO and CTO are treating their engineers in a terrible way, blindly trusting LLMs and creating a toxic culture where speed and growth trump security.

I'm not ready to make a radical switch yet but some little actions I implemented today could be useful for others, too:

1. I made my custom domain the DEFAULT email address in ProtonMail
2. I created aliases w my custom domain for shopping, newsletters, admin, etc.

Hoping this will make a transition smoother

@_elena@mastodon.social
HO.LY. F.U.C.K.

Thanks for posting that link. I had absolutely no idea! I've been with #Proton for many years, 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘺 because I want to get away from Big Tech, not to get dragged back in via the backdoor.

What a arrogant, dismissive prick, this guy. I feel sorry for the employees, but I'm gonna have to look for an alternative. It really sucks, as Proton Meet and SimpleLogin are really good products. What a nightmare! 😱

@_elena@mastodon.social Wow, what a loser Proton's CEO is. 🙃

@_elena@mastodon.social Why not host your own email on one of your servers?

@_elena@mastodon.social

'In a follow-up message, Yen reiterated his point: “only losers think like that.” His ultimate message for the team was to “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”'

@_elena@mastodon.social I've kept my SimpleLogin account separate from my Proton account for this possibility. Were you using the built-in alias functionality or a separate alias solution? I haven't tried to migrate, yet, but I'm hoping the separation does still exist for and I can just point my aliased addresses at a new mailbox.

I'm also probably going to look into a different email alias provider, because SimpleLogin is owned by Proton.

If/when I do migrate off of Proton, I'll likely use this as an opportunity to use my own registered domain, too. I still want to use a generalized alias email domain but having a custom domain for my personal email would be good.

#Proton #ProtonAG #AndyYen #SimpleLogin #AISlop #Privacy #Security

@_elena@mastodon.social It's never too late for a custom domain email address 😝 and FWIW, StartMail lets you add your own domain, so maybe a viable option for you?

@_elena@mastodon.social I was JUST looking up email hosting providers (based in Canada) earlier. Ugh. Same same.

I am, almost surprised to read that you, on your self hosting journey, were not also self hosting email!

Then again, I probably began on the self hosting journey so long ago that it was more of a collaborative hosting (because computer resources were scarce and expensive and so BBSes and such were doing out best to share them with others) era (my first Internet accessible email address was UUCP, not SMTP; and I had other email systems in use before that too!)? So the bygone days of when sendmail had "wiz" and spam was not yet a reality? I miss.

At some point, I had been getting paid to run mailservers for employers for so long, I had more or less given up on it for personal use and let others with their free tiers handle that sort of thing.

Distressingly, it seems as if the free tiers of companies, can no longer be trusted as most have fallen prey to the realms of surveillance capitalism, so I too am in the process of going back to some sort of self hosted paradigm, for email of all things!?

I should have hoped by 2026, we would have all long since migrated to realtime end-to-end encrypted communications systems with Perfect Forward Secrecy and naturally, libre/free open source software implementations such as SILC; yet it seems as if the popularity of that fell by the wayside as the hegemonic powers that be foisted their bassackwardsness on the world? I know better is possible, since I already was using better contentedly, long ago.

These days? The "S" in SMTP, no longer seems meaningful; such a pity.

I am certain that you can take your self hosting lessons to the realms of email and be OK with it. Administering MTAs (Mail Transfer Agents) isn't the worst thing in the world; personally I prefer Postfix to sendmail; yet qmail presumably still functions? There are also OpenSMTPD from the OpenBSD developers now, and newer "gee-whiz" sorts of all-in-one thingamajiggers e.g. https://www.xmox.nl and https://stalw.art (the latter of which I am least familiar with and also seems to perhaps utilize LLMs to some degree?) which maybe also include calendaring and IMAP, etc. support?

Good luck on your continuing journey! Even as I, probably need to go back to some areas with which I was once all too well versed and apparently have let lapse in the intermediary years hoping that we may have moved on from such things, like the joke:

"Could you fax over a copy?"
"No, I can't fax because of where I live."
"Where do you live?"
"The 21st century."

To me at least? A good new technology, does not cling to the past.

So, any "web" service, still requesting an email address? IMHO, is not a good one.

SILC, did not require an email address.

Contrast with, e.g. Signal, which requires a phone number?

Even worse. At least email addresses (e.g. SMTP) have a multiplicity of libre/free open source implementations and that will presumably, always be true. Attempting to get phone numbers (sure there are projects such as OpenBTS, Asterisk, which provide VoIP functionality, yet they are the minority; the telephony realms are predominantly still promulgated by an entrenched, convicted monopoly). Based on that alone Signal use should be discouraged. Alas, there are many other good reasons to discourage usage of Signal.

@_elena@mastodon.social Et tu, Proton? 😢